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Old 08-09-2017, 11:55 AM
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Suits Episode Discussion: 7x05 "Brooklyn Housing"


Mike juggles his work obligations with his promise to help a hurting family. Harvey asks for Louis's discretion in handling a sensitive matter. Donna vets a possible addition to the firm.
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Old 08-09-2017, 06:38 PM
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Louis' discretion it's clearly an oxymoron very curious about this one

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Old 08-09-2017, 08:53 PM
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I actually loved Louis in tonight's episode. He refrained--barely--from breaking confidentiality with Donna, but, more importantly, he didn't let whatever similarity Paula's situation involving her ex had with him and Tara influence his attitude or behavior. A show of genuine growth for Louis. I also liked his conversation with his therapist, which Louis initiated.

I'm not sure what I think about Paula's past relationship, except Harvey might be her rebound, and I hope, for his sake, they progress slowly.

Donna may be settling into her new position a bit more comfortably, and I especially liked her exchange with Ms. Comstock (?) because it showed her (Donna) willingness to listen, to be open-minded, and to change her mind. That said, I'm relieved she isn't joining PSL because that character has shown repeatedly that her loyalty can be bought.

Speaking of loyalty, Mike, I love you, but I hope Harvey fires your ass...for a few days. Mike's behaving with a level of immaturity and foolishness not exhibited since that whole debacle with Charles Forstman and Jonathan Sidwell back in early season 4. He's trying to make a deal with Frank Gallo? And Nathan is okay with Mike's staying on the prison case because Mike is screwing Harvey? Nathan, your little clinic is being funded by Harvey Specter, not to mention the legal blowback would be as serious for your clinic as it would be for PSL. But I don't care what Nathan thinks. I care that Mike seemed okay with "screwing Harvey"--this friend who's never been anything but loyal and supportive, and is bending over backward to keep him happy.

Enter Rachel, to be Mike's voice of reason. Let's hope Mike listens.

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Louis was definitely MVP tonight. He was completely professional and represented Paula well. And was discreet with Donna. I go back and forth with Louis. I can love and hate him. Tonight- he was great. And he seems to be growing. Well done. Louis has to love that of all the lawyers Harvey knows, he picked Louis to help him with something personally important to him. That's pretty cool.

I found Donna to be fairly obnoxious and overly nosey and pushy most of the episode. While Harvey and Louis certainly have their fair share of fights, they also have a history of working with each other. Her constant questioning of them was rather grating. They can be in a room together alone without her cross examining them. I suppose the idea was to drive home that Harvey's seeing someone and she doesn't know, but it's not really her business anyway. Donna's never been one to run and tell Harvey when she's seeing anyone. Neither one of them are that personally open. Her reaction should be interesting, but it's not like a betrayal that she doesn't know.

She may have been right about Holly's (?) loyalty issues and did show herself to be capable of re thinking her position, I'll give Donna that, but I can't say I'm really enjoying watching Donna as COO yet. She hasn't found a way to express herself in a way that doesn't seem annoying- to me anyway, I did like her last scene with Harvey though. That was nice. So....Harvey turned down drinks with Donna. I do miss seeing Harvey and Donna chat. And it being fun. So that little scene was nice. And Harvey took pretty well that Holly was clearly turned off by her conversation with Donna.

I can barely tolerate watching Mike right now. He's in total Siberia. He doesn't interact with anyone. He's lying to Harvey of all people. And he doesn't seem to really care that he is. And I'm bored watching him in scene after scene with Oliver. I don't have any interest in their relationship at all. It's really not interesting to watch imo. And I don't care enough about this case for all the time devoted to it either. I wouldn't mind seeing Harvey fire Mike either for a few days. Mike isn't there when he needs him. And he's lying about why he isn't there. I'd like to see Mike have to work to make it up to Harvey. And platitudes about how important the case is isn't good enough. He's jeopardizing a lot more than than just his professional career on this. Rachel is awesome though. Real world- she can do way better than Mike. Mike's word should mean something. Now, it's meaningless. Mike can talk all day long about the case being important- but your word is so much bigger than a case. Nathan's lack of gratitude towards Harvey is pretty stunning.

Honestly- if we're leading up to Mike doing just full time pro bono, rather than pretending to split his time with PSL, because he really can't do both, I'll probably FF it. It doesn't work for me. Mike may as well be on a different show.

I feel like what we're seeing with Paula is she's as human and insecure as the next person, that's what they seem to be hammering home. First, we see she's afraid of getting hurt. Now we see she didn't tell Harvey about her ex because she was afraid he'd think less of her. As she said, therapists don't know everything. I do find her and Harvey to be sweet together. I like seeing his kinder, more tender side. It's nice. But, yeah, he should be cautious. I like seeing him with someone where the relationship isn't so combative all the time. I liked Scottie, but it was just one fight after another. All the time.

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The general theme of this episode is about truth. and about what constitutes betrayal, and it seemed to want to drive home that Harvey is somehow betraying Donna simply by not telling her about Paula, but I'm with you--I don't care how close Harvey and Donna are, it's not Donna's business who Harvey chooses to date. Plus, it's hardly unusual for someone in a new relationship to share that with anyone while the relationship is still new.

This is just a theory, but Mike must be motivated by something other than wanting to help this family in the prison case. Despite his denial to Harvey in 704, I think Mike does have an issue with Alex being senior partner at PSL, or at least the idea of someone like Alex being in a position of influence with Harvey. Mike's competitive enough to want to prove he's better than Alex, and maybe even that he (Mike) should have been made senior partner instead of someone new being brought it. Of course, Mike is being very self-centered and myopic--he seems unaware of the untenable position in which his actions have placed Rachel. Of course, I want Mike and Harvey to get through this, but Mike should have to work hard to regain Harvey's trust. Hopefully, Rachel will be his much-needed voice of reason.

I see your point about Donna inserting herself into Louis's relationship with Harvey, but I think she's had to mediate that relationship for so long that it's hard for her to step back and let them try to relate like adults.
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Good episode Love seeing Harvey and Louis trusting each other

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And I'm bored watching him in scene after scene with Oliver. I don't have any interest in their relationship at all. It's really not interesting to watch imo.
Same for me, I'm not here for the Mike/Oliver show gimme my Marvey scènes

OMG Frank Gallo that was unexpected Rachel is totally right in her speech about the worth of Mike's word I'm not mad at him though he just can't himself from defending the weak and the oppressed, that's the Mike we know from the beginning and I love him for this

Louis asking if Donna knows about him and Paula and that last Darvey scene "I miss this" Harvey looks like he feels guilty for not telling her and I don't really understand why to be honest

Very touching moment between Louis and his therapist, my baby boy is growing up, I’m proud of him too
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I really fail to see how Mike is helping anyone. His involvement jeopardizes the case. He signed a document saying he'd stay out of it. And it's a conflict of interest for the firm. He easily could have found another firm to take this on. They'd jump all over it. It jeopardizes his professional life, the firm- where his fiancée works, the clinic.....everything. And it jeopardizes his personal relationships. Rachel seems pretty fed up. And she should be. She's put up with a lot from Mike. Not only is he lying to his boss/friend, he's putting her in the position of lying to her boss. Way to go. Then there's his relationship with Harvey, and Donna and Louis for that matter. And involving frank Gallo. Idiotic. I have no sympathy for Mike.

It interests me that they clearly decided to bring the personal aspect of Darvey back to the forefront, while at the same time they're saying that the relationship with Paula is serious- or at least something that is really getting invested in. It's not coming across as a fling or casual dating or self destructive.
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I really fail to see how Mike is helping anyone. His involvement jeopardizes the case. He signed a document saying he'd stay out of it. And it's a conflict of interest for the firm. He easily could have found another firm to take this on. They'd jump all over it. It jeopardizes his professional life, the firm- where his fiancée works, the clinic.....everything. And it jeopardizes his personal relationships. Rachel seems pretty fed up. And she should be. She's put up with a lot from Mike. Not only is he lying to his boss/friend, he's putting her in the position of lying to her boss. Way to go. Then there's his relationship with Harvey, and Donna and Louis for that matter. And involving frank Gallo. Idiotic. I have no sympathy for Mike.
well I can see that but isn't the father who lost his son in prison only wanted Mike to go further with this case or am I missing something ?
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I really fail to see how Mike is helping anyone. His involvement jeopardizes the case. He signed a document saying he'd stay out of it. And it's a conflict of interest for the firm. He easily could have found another firm to take this on. They'd jump all over it. It jeopardizes his professional life, the firm- where his fiancée works, the clinic.....everything. And it jeopardizes his personal relationships. Rachel seems pretty fed up. And she should be. She's put up with a lot from Mike. Not only is he lying to his boss/friend, he's putting her in the position of lying to her boss. Way to go. Then there's his relationship with Harvey, and Donna and Louis for that matter. And involving frank Gallo. Idiotic. I have no sympathy for Mike.
I agree. But to be fair to Mike, I think the circumstances of the case, and of this man's son's death, hit too close to home and he's letting his emotions cloud his better judgement. He's going about "helping" in all the wrong ways, stepping on the people closest to him for the supposed greater good, jeopardizing everything--this case, the reputation of both his firm and the clinic, and his closest relationships--just because he can't say "no" when he should. (And, there may be other factors motivating him, but I won't speculate here.)

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Again, I won't speculate too much, but I think both Harvey and Donna have been unaware of what their feelings for each other are, or, at least, have repressed those feelings to the extent that they can feel safe with each other and work together without a messy romance--they both have tons of emotional baggage-- disrupting what has been a very successful working partnership and friendship.

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I agree. But to be fair to Mike, I think the circumstances of the case, and of this man's son's death, hit too close to home and he's letting his emotions cloud his better judgement. He's going about "helping" in all the wrong ways, stepping on the people closest to him for the supposed greater good, jeopardizing everything--this case, the reputation of both his firm and the clinic, and his closest relationships--just because he can't say "no" when he should. (And, there may be other factors motivating him, but I won't speculate here.)



Again, I won't speculate too much, but I think both Harvey and Donna have been unaware of what their feelings for each other are, or, at least, have repressed those feelings to the extent that they can feel safe with each other and work together without a messy romance--they both have tons of emotional baggage-- disrupting what has been a very successful working partnership and friendship.
Fair point about Mike. He can't see straight. I just find the pro bono story so aggravating on every level- for multiple episodes, that I'm having trouble cutting him any slack. The fallout might be good, granted, but I've really disliked the lead up.

Well said about Harvey and Donna. Ever since the rule went into effect they've done what they had to to make their relationship work- and work very well. Change would probably be pretty scary at this point too.

I believe the father did want Mike to stay on, but he could have walked away and certainly should have.

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